剛好看到3/3 Rich Paul的Podcast 裡面又提到Luka https://open.spotify.com/episode/0cSYpDkcHXoGvF1fOOiSS4 17分開始 以下為完整逐字稿 Max: Then I go to the Lakers. You mentioned basketball IQ. Luka has a high basketball IQ, obviously. LeBron has a high basketball IQ, obviously. Austin Reeves has a high basketball IQ, obviously. Those are three best players, all high basketball IQs. But I wouldn't say the Knicks play a high IQ brand of basketball. And they don't look like there's a path to the championship this year for the Lakers to me. And JJ Reddick got in Luka's face. 接著聊聊湖人。你提到了球商。顯然，Luka 有極高的球商，LeBron也是，Austin Reaves 也是。這3位最好的球員都有極高的球商。但我不會說這支尼克隊（口誤)打的是高球商。 而且對我來說，今年的湖人隊看起來沒有奪冠之路。另外 JJ Redick 當面槓上了Luka。 Rich: Wait, you said the Knicks don't play a high IQ? 等等，你說尼克隊打球 IQ 不高？ Max: I said the Lakers. I said the Knicks. 我是說湖人，我剛剛說成尼克了 Rich: Oh, you said the Knicks, but you meant the Lakers. 喔，你說了尼克，但你心裡想的是湖人 Max: My fault. I meant the Lakers. Go to the other coast. Yeah, I'll do that from time to time. If by time to time you mean like every day, I'll confuse some names. The Lakers don't have a path to the championship for me this year, and JJ Redick got in Luka's face. You know, the stuff I've been saying about Luka complaining on and now other people are saying it too now, complaining on every call, not playing any defense, et cetera, and I blame it on the curse of the gifted “And I compared Luka to a quarterback who can scramble. If your short-term incentive is to always pick up the first down, then you'll never learn pocket awareness, right? If your short-term incentive is to always create a high % shot, since Luka can get that shot whenever he wants, then the ball never moves. 我的錯，我指的是湖人。換到西岸聊聊。對，我偶爾會犯這種錯。如果你所謂的「偶爾」 是指每天的話，那我確實常搞混名字。對我來說，湖人今年沒有奪冠的機會，而且 JJ Redick 對著 Luka 發火了。你知道的，我一直都在批評 Luka 對判決的抱怨，現在其他 人也開始說了，每一球都在抱怨、完全不防守等等。我把這歸咎於「天才的詛咒」。 It never turns into a team game. So, JJ got in Luka's face, and reportedly, it's about the constant complaining on every call, and by the way, I would imagine on the defensive effort. I think it kind of, I was wondering when that was going to happen. I was wondering if that was happening behind closed doors, because at some point, that's necessary for this Lakers team, Rich. And I know you have to be circumspect about what you say about this right now, because anything you say is interpreted through the lens of, well, if it's critical of Luka, then maybe he's looking out for LeBron. This is not you saying it, this is me saying it. If you don't want to comment on it, because you don't want to add fuel to the fire of, like, nonsense about constant, like, oh, actually, that's Rich position thing, I get it. But that's my feeling, is that if this hasn't happened yet, then this was long overdue. Because Luka cannot play this way and the Lakers be successful. 我曾把 Luka 比作一個會亂跑的四分衛。如果你的短期誘因永遠只是為了拿下首攻， 那你永遠學不會「口袋意識」，對吧？如果你的短期誘因永遠是創造高命中率的投籃， 既然 Luka 隨時都能投進那種球，球權就永遠不會流動 這永遠不會變成一場團隊運動。所以 JJ 當面修理了 Luka，據報導是因為他每一球都在 抱怨，順帶一提，我猜還有防守端的努力程度。我在想這什麼時候會發生，甚至在想這是 不是已經在私下發生過了，Rich，對這支湖人隊來說，這在某個時間點是必須發生的 我知道你現在說話必須很謹慎，因為你說的任何話都會被放大解讀，比如「如果你批評 Luka，那你可能是在護航 LeBron」。這不是你說的，是我說的。如果你不想評論，因為 不想為那些「 Rich 的立場如何如何」的廢話火上澆油，我理解。但我的感覺是，如果這 件事還沒發生，那早就該發生了。因為 Luka 不能再這樣打球，否則湖人不可能成功。 Rich: Yeah, no, and thanks for saying that, Max. And obviously, you know how people clip things and the stupidity of people sometimes just looking for something to say anything about anything. But the reality of it is, I've been around this game a long time, and obviously, you know, never played a game on this level, even though in my mind, I thought I did, but the tapes are different. But I think any time you have, I didn't see the play, by the way, I didn't see what you're talking about, but just being around for so long, you know, that leads to a healthy relationship, because that means that there's a profound respect for the player, and there should be a profound respect for the coach, and I think it ultimately leads to a healthy relationship. I've been around enough coaches to see them challenge the star players. Dean Smith did it, Mike Krzyzewski did it in colleges, John Thompson did it, Tom Izzo does it all the time.We know what Bobby Knight did to the best players. 沒錯，Max，謝謝你這麼說。顯然你也知道現在的人會怎麼斷章取義，有些人的愚蠢程度 就是只想找點碴來亂噴。但現實情況是，我籃球圈待得夠久了，顯然，我從沒打過這種 等級的比賽，雖然在我腦海中我覺得我有，但比賽錄影帶說了實話。 我認為，任何時候只要你看到這種衝突，這反而代表一段健康的關係。因為這意味著教練 對球員有極深的尊重，球員對教練也應如此。我見過太多教練挑戰球星了。Dean Smith 做過，K 教練在大學時也做過，John Thompson、Tom Izzo 更是家常便飯。我們都知道 Bobby Knight 是怎麼對待明星球員的。 When you go to the NBA, I've seen it from SPO, I've seen it from Tyronn Lue, I've seen it from guys like Pat Riley and Steve Kerr, all championship coaches Phil Jackson. So that's, you know, I think when things happen in sucha media robust environment that we're looking for the drama of it all and we want to talk about the drama of it all. But the reality of it is, hey, these guys are getting paid a lot of money to do a high level job. The fact that on a get of a night that there's care shown and there's passion shown and there's a competitive nature shown, I think that's healthy. 到了 NBA，我也在 Spoelstra、Tyronn Lue、Pat Riley 或 Steve Kerr 這些冠軍教練身 上看過這種事，還有 Phil Jackson。所以在這種媒體高度關注的環境下，大家都在找戲 劇張力、想聊八卦，但現實是：嘿，這些人拿這麼多薪水是來做高水準工作的。在某些夜 晚表現出在乎、激情與競爭本能，我認為這非常健康。 Max: Can I tell you something? So there may be an impression or maybe I'm giving an impression that I'm anti-Luka and maybe I have been recently because, you know, if you go to a Lakers game and you see that kind of effort, you're like, come on, man, right? Like that's not how it's supposed to be done. But let me say two things about that. One, if you're, like the complaining every call is annoying, but if it didn't affect his defense, for example, I wouldn't care about it as much, right? It's kind of like in boxing , you want to keep your hands high to pick off shots, right, for defense. But actually, the best way to do that is keep your elbows tucked. You keep your elbows tucked, where are your hands gonna be? Not only are your elbows protecting your body, but your hands will be up. And so that's what I would say about Luka's complaining. To me, whatever, optics are no good, and it's annoying and everything, but the main thing, the main reason Luka should stop that is because it's like keeping your elbows tucked. Luka, if you knock that off, your defense will immediately get better. You're not gonna be a step behind, but your hands will be high, because your elbows are tucked. You'll be back on defense, because you're not sitting there complaining to the ref. That's one thing. 我能跟你說件事嗎？大家可能會有一種印象，或者是我表現出來的樣子，讓人覺得我就是 我很反 Luka。也許我最近確實有點像，因為你去現場看湖人比賽，看到那種投入度，你 就會想說，拜託一下，兄弟，對吧？事情不該是這樣做的。但關於這點，我想講兩件事 第一，雖然每一球都抱怨很煩人，但如果這不影響他的防守，我可能就不會那麼在意。 這有點像拳擊，你想高舉雙手來擋拆對方的進攻，對吧？但其實最好的方法是夾緊手肘。 如果你夾緊手肘，你的手會在哪？你的手肘不只能保護身體，手也會自然抬高。這就是我 對 Luka 抱怨的看法。對我來說，觀感不佳、煩人什麼的都算了，但 Luka 該停止抱怨的 主因就像「夾緊手肘」一樣。Luka，如果你改掉這毛病，你的防守會立刻變好。你不會慢 半拍，你的手會舉高，因為你的手肘夾緊了，也就是說，你已經回防了，而不是坐在那裡 跟裁判抱怨。這是第一點。 The next thing is, I should say this, and like, because I could relate to Luka's complaining on every call. Rich, when I drive in LA., I'm mad all the time.I'm pissed off all the time, because- Why? 第二點是，我必須說，我其實能體會 Luka 對判決的抱怨。Rich，我在LA開車時，隨時都 在生氣。我一直都很火大，因為 Rich: Because you're in traffic? 因為你卡在車陣裡？ Max: Not only, but the reason for the traffic. Someone's in the far left lane, but they're not using it as a passing lane. They're going the same speed as the person in the right lane. Even if you're going past the speed limit, that's not the point. The far left lane is to pass cars. If you're blocking someone behind you, you're not using it properly. The light turns green, no one goes. They're on their phone, right? It annoys me. 不只是這樣，而是塞車的原因！有人待在最左側車道，卻不把它當超車道用，開得跟右邊 車道一樣慢。就算你已經超速了，那也不是重點，最左邊是超車用的！如果你擋住後面的 車，你就是沒正確使用車道。綠燈亮了，沒人動，因為大家都在滑手機，對吧？這超煩。 People merging from both sides with no regard for like, you know, because you have these five lane freeways and people are merging left and right at the same time, and they're just not paying attention. There's a million reasons why I'm stuck in traffic and I'm mad all the time, and I'm cursing out people in my car all the time. Instead of at a certain point like, Max, this is how it's going to be every day, right?You can't get aggravated about this shit every day. Like, besides the fact that I'm sure it's compensatory and whatever else, like there's another real reason underneath “that I'm doing it. The fact is, that's the way it is. 還有兩邊的人同時匯入，完全不管安全，因為這有五線道的高速公路，大家同時左閃右避 ，根本沒在看路。有百萬個理由讓我困在車陣中，讓我隨時都在車裡詛咒。但我某種程度 上意識到：Max，這就是你每天的生活，對吧？你不能每天都為這點破事抓狂。除了這可 能是種心理補償或其他原因外，事實就是，現況如此。 So, I empathize with Luka, I sympathize with Luka because I can imagine he's thinking, no, I really should have gotten that call in a lot of these calls. But, and I'm not expecting that part to change overnight, but damn, Luka, you got to stop with the complaining. 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